Elias Canetti (1905-1994) was a Jewish German-language writer born in Ruse, Bulgaria. His family moved to England, where his father died in 1912. His mother took their three sons back to Europe and settled in Vienna. In 1981, her son Elias was awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature for “writings marked by a broad outlook, a wealth of ideas, and artistic power.”
Canetti wrote in his book The Memoirs of Elias Canetti, “I realized that there is such a thing as a crowd instinct, which is always in conflict with the personality instinct, and that the struggle between the two of them can explain the course of human history.” This idea became central to his life. It is the focus of his book Crowds and Power. He defined “crowd instinct” as an instinctive desire to be part of a crowd, to even dissolve one’s personality into a large mass of people. It often happens in mass rallies where impassioned orators fire up their audience and at rock concerts where young and old fans lose themselves in their wild admiration of the singers and their music.
The opposite of crowd instinct is “personality instinct.” We occasionally agree with crowds, but want to retain our ideas and values. We know from our knowledge of history that crowds have often become dangerous. Demagogues passed on false information, controlled the population, and drove them to do terrible things, even many murders.
In Crowds and Power, Canetti revolutionizes our analyses of politics and history. He shows many examples of the pathology of crowds in various countries and religions. He even informs us of such mundane things as a ruler’s digestion can affect his power. He emphasizes that it takes people with strong personal instincts, people with a clear understanding of their ideas and values, who can overcome the phenomenal power of the crowd instinct. This could help us explain the rise of antisemitism around the world today and the sizable percentage of Americans who overlook the bestialities committed by Hamas on October 7, 2023, and protested for Hamas and violently destroyed much property during their protests.
He describes many kinds of crowds. Each is different. Each has its distinct behaviors and motivations. He reveals much sociology and psychology about each of them. There are open crowds, closed crowds, crowds as rings, invisible crowds, baiting crowds, flight crowds, prohibition crowds, reversal crowds, feast crowds, double men and women crowds, double living and dead crowds, war crowds, and crowd crystals.
There are also many smaller groupings, each, as the crowds, with distinct behaviors and motives. He calls the smaller groups packs. There are hunting packs, war packs, lamenting packs, increase packs, communion packs, and inward and tranquil packs.
He discusses much about crowds and pacts. These include their history, their appearance in legends, how they transform, and how they appear in Islam. Christianity, and Judaism.
This is offered to us in easy-to-read language, with many examples and details in the first 200 pages of this thought-provoking masterpiece. He follows the discussion of crowds and packs until page 495 with a brilliant discussion of power, its elements, its aspects, its survivors, details about commands, and transformation. As with crowds and packs, he fills his pages with fascinating details and examples from many cultures and history.
Among much else, he tells us that humans not only learned much by observing how animals act, but they also learned many valuable things by looking at their bodies. For example, “the feel of the hand of authority on his shoulder is usually enough to make a man give himself up without having to be actually seized. He cowers and goes quietly.” Humans learned much by thinking about their teeth. “The way they are arranged in rows and their shining smoothness are quite different from anything else in the body.” It taught humans about order, architecture, protection, dangers, smooth surfaces., and more. The nail on the index finger taught people about knives, spears, and more. The thumb led to thinking about grasping and the bow for arrows. The movement of the fingers led to how to weave and other arts. Even thinking about how he ate led people to invent new objects and goals.
Just as Sigmund Freud revolutionized psychology with need-to-know information written in very readable and entertaining language, Elias Canetti has done the same by revealing the truths about crowds and power.

Can the madness of crowds be right in their own view?
If a group advocates for fascism we know its wrong.
But their value system whether it be religious, ethnic, or etc can be seen as a valid solution for them regardless of how we percieve it?
or am i talking nonsense>?
Many people are convinced that what they think is correct, but they are wrong. But as long as they act properly and do to others what they want others to do to them, they are not bad just because they have bad beliefs.
All trade came from agriculture. It probably began in Samaria. Probably developed there. I think they wrote in pictographs for a long time. I think a lot of these pictographs are a form of language in writing. It’s conveying information, that’s a language. And I think it developed simultaneously in multiple parts of the world. If asked where did language begin, I think it began right by the fire. they’d be told by their elders. And the elders would have either learned from their parents or they would have learned by trial and error, by seeing the reactions to their grunts and other noises.
While we have no way of knowing, you may be right.
What you write makes sense.
I think once we created then society exploded. That’s really the beginning when human history began. The most logical reason I can think of is that it most likely started when people started to be able to farm. Because the moment you farm and produce more food than you need, then you could trade that food with someone else and it becomes very difficult very quickly to trade 700 ears of corn without language. In order for you to trade anything you have to be able to talk. You have to be able to negotiate. Now they believe they were simple, there was some form of proto-language before we had agriculture but it was very simple. It was like every tribe would have their own little way of communicating. It wasn’t until you started to have to communicate, an incentive, and they believe it was actually kind of advanced but not nearly as advanced as like a written language. But it had functioned well, probably for a long time.
Do consider your works and website as a great gift for prayer, study and action, dear Rabbi Israel Drazin ! Thank you: stephen
Thank you, Stephen.
Israel
We agree that humans can learn much by observing how animals act. I like your idea that they can even learn by looking at their bodies. Human teeth “taught humans about order, architecture, protection, dangers, smooth surfaces… The nail on the index finger taught people about knives, spears, and more. The thumb led to thinking about grasping and the bow for arrows. The movement of the fingers led to how to weave and other arts. Even thinking about how he ate led people to invent new objects and goals.”
Here is a question. Which part of the body, or animal or nature, taught humans language? Or, how did human language develop? Who or what taught humans to speak, count, and write?
Good question. I haven’t thought about this.It is worth thinking about. At the moment, I think original animals and humans realised they can make sounds just as they can make gestures.The also realised that certain sounds could be understood by others to show their intentions, such as a roar indicating dissatisfaction or warning of danger. This basic understanding led to language. Animals have language, but because of the limitations of their intellect, not as develped as humans.
I agree with you that animals have language. Even wolves communicate with each other. Cats communicate with each other. Dolphins communicate with each other. Sharks and whales communicate with each other. There’s a lot of animals that communicate with each other. Even birds have a language. It’s very simple but they have a language. Some birds even learn languages from other animals and parrots. Same way gazelles do now. They communicate. They don’t need to speak English to be able to warn each other when a cheetah is nearby.
We agree.
The psychology of the crowd instinct is interesting. The nazis committed horrendous crimes in WWII. One would think how was this possible? I think if it was just one person they probably would not have committed the crime. But if everyone doing it, they suddenly feel that it is justified and an acceptable norm. Individuality turns into groupthink, or the hive mind. In this kind of mentality, there’s no sense of individuality, they think they are avoiding responsibility. I think we can apply the same to the Hamas on October 7th. An individual would probably be timid to cross the border and commit horrendous acts but when their friends are doing it they feel emboldened. The Americans protesting for Hamas are violent and destroy property. Notice that the protests for Israel are always very polite and peaceful. When I visited a Trump rally I was amazed at how peaceful it was. The cars neatly lined up and left. No one blasted loud music. Within a few hours, you’d never know there was anything eventful that day. No one left garbage. I believe January 6 was infiltrated by members of antifa to storm the capital to give Trump supporters a bad rap. They would not have entered the capital building on their own. Such is the psychology of a crown instinct. Same with the Boston Tea Party.
I agree with you.
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Thank you for telling me who you are Stephen. It is an honor to have such a bright man as one of my readers.
Israel
The mentioned book ( Auto-da-Fe) is, imo, Canetti’s psychological mirror of his disruptive experiences in Vienna and Berlin, in the early 1930s. At that time, Hermann Broch discussed several parts of the novel with Elias Canetti. In this sense or better my view, an important contemporary psycho-historical account of the rise of totalitarianism. Best: stephen
You are very bright,very knowledgable,Stephen. Please tell me who you are, what is your background,and education.
Am in agreement with your observations and evaluation of Elias Canetti, dear Rabbi Israel Drazin. Worked myself a lot on the sociophysics of mass psychology and the madness of crowds, which is very close to ethology.
I enjoyed Canetti’s writing style, that he filled every paragraph with information, and especially the insights he gave me. I liked it so much that I bought his novel Auto-da-Fe which I plan to read after I finish the latest Baldachi thriller.I read over 150 books a year.
Israel